Stripper Interviews

This is an excerpt from A Dream To Take Home
copyright 2004 by Joseph R.G. DeMarco

Jeff
Escape

A Dream To Take Home - True Stories of Male Strippers“I just go into this escape world and I exist there. I live. I go through the motions of pretending that my life is great, I’m fabulous, I’m all this and I’m all that. I pretend that I have a great life, a great body, a boyfriend, plenty of money, and I’ve got my act together. I wish I could deal with things in reality and not have to go into this fantasy world. It’s like I don’t succeed in real life because I’ve got my escape world that I can live in. I’m a disappointment to my parents and I’m disappointed in myself.”


Jeff dances the way he moves through life: enthusiastically, energetically, seductively. His regulars eagerly watch as he moves deftly over drinks, puddles, and ashtrays to favor them with a word, a wiggle, or a touch. New fans are born each time they see his lithe body and tight buttocks pass across their line of vision.


On the job at the 247 Bar, Jeff bounds across the floor to take his position on the makeshift stage and immediately becomes one with the music. This night he wears his GI Joe outfit: tight white tee-shirt which hugs his lightly muscled chest; the modified camouflage shorts highlight his ass and emphasize the bulge in his crotch. Black combat boots compliment the rest and give him a masterful and commanding appearance.


His movements are smooth, sexy, enticing. The audience responds immediately and cheer for him to be brought closer to dance on the bar. Some fans jump forward and place tips in his boots, in his shorts, at his feet, then stare at him adoringly, hopefully, wistfully.


Swaying to the music, Jeff smiles his devilish and inviting smile drawing them in, making them want him, want more than he will give. He strips off his tee-shirt, rolling it over his flesh enticing the men to touch and feel, yet never letting them near. He uses his hips to speak to the men who desire him and they hear what they want to hear – that he will be their fantasy alone. Each thrust is a word of encouragement to the hungry audience, a promise that he will be that much closer when he comes to them on the bar.


Carefully slipping off his black leather belt he drapes it over his neck and plays with it – as if it were one of the men he has wrapped around his flesh. He toys with the men through the belt then tosses it away – as he will eventually toss their dreams and hopes onto the floor when he leaves without them.


Eagerly awaiting the removal of his shorts, the customers carefully watch his moves. Jeff does not oblige them quickly, instead he employs the art of the tease. It is a playful tease, a tease that says, “You can have this if you wait long enough. You really can.” And he smiles that smile which makes them feel that what he wordlessly promises is really true.


When they least expect it, he allows them to see his white satin g-string as he quickly drops then raises the camouflage pants. A cheer and a whistle zing through the smoky bar and Jeff responds with a wiggle and an enticing thrust of the hips. But it is not yet time to drop the pants and reveal his skin.


Finally, the shorts fall away revealing the shocking, satiny white of the g-string, the fleshy mounds of his ass, and the fullness of his performance self. Jeff is whole now and theirs for as long as he is performing. He knows he has their attention and is their fantasy.


Moving to the bar, Jeff honors a customer or two by placing his arms around them and using them to balance himself as he hoists his 170 pounds of muscle and flesh to the top of the bar. The smiles of the customers so used are a mix of embarrassment and pride. They have been touched by the demi-god and they are special. To emphasize this, Jeff performs for them first, gyrating slowly before their rapt faces, thrusting his crotch gently out and into their view. Turning adroitly, combat boots stepping over glasses, his fleshy well-formed ass is now presented to the panting faithful. Hands dart out with dollar bills which are carefully placed beneath the band of the g-string. Those same hands inevitably stray and caress his flesh. They wonder what it would be like to possess that flesh even for one night; his movements give them an inkling and a morsel of hope.


He turns again and playfully shakes the bulging pouch of the g-string, his cockhead outlined clearly against the material. Delighted eyes gaze up, embarrassed smiles widen like parting curtains, hands hesitate then duck beneath the bar as if to avoid temptation.


Jeff is a poem in motion: balanced and rhythmic, yet the dissonance lurking between the lines of that poem never shows. The smooth and graceful body, object of dreams and fantasies, is wrapped around insecurity and doubt. His adeptness of physical movement belies his uncertainty about what his next moves in life should be. He craves independence yet needs an anchor to stabilize him. He is a wonder of contradiction and a marvel of insecurity. Yet, no one can tell or is allowed to know just how conflicted he is. Jeff for them is fun and fantasy and will never spoil their party. That is also part of his personal code.


That personal code and everything he is, Jeff attests, comes from his family and the way in which he and his brother and sisters were raised. Having broken free of them, his life since then has been a search for a place in the world, a search for order, success and love. Seemingly unattainable, these things are made more elusive by his inability to do without someone to care for him. Whether it is a parent, a manager, or a lover there is usually someone in Jeff’s life who will take him by the hand, choose his clothes, frighten off the raucous customer, and generally pave the way for him.


“I don’t know that I have a sense of my place in the world yet. I think that’s part of my problem right now. I have a sense of who I want be. I want be someone who is working in business, who is successful, who is contributing to society. I want to be a good husband to someone. I want to be in some ways the stereotypical person: good relationship, good job, good life. I’m clearly not there yet, and that’s part of a lot of the self-doubts that I’m having right now, y’know? Will I be the person who is successful in finance? Why is it I can’t get off my ass and get a job? This is the quintessential job market, you know? There’s no reason not to get a job and the only reason I haven’t is that I haven’t applied myself to find it. Part of it is the way I was brought up, part of it is I’m just too lazy, part of it is I don’t like the whole process.


“I’m getting a lot of pressure from my parents. They’re very disappointed. When I was growing up my family was very centered in on itself. It was really Ozzie and Harriet in a lot of ways. Scary stuff! We did not interact a lot with other people, we were very isolated in some ways. That’s the way my parents wanted it, they were all about the kids. They hardly went out. For us to get a babysitter was very rare. Vacations were all done together as a family. Everything was done as a family together. We did little league and stuff like that. But the interaction socially was very minimal. You could say my independence training wasn’t good.


“My family was everything when I was growing up. They did everything for us. All my childhood memories are of my family. My childhood friends are irrelevant. It’s my family that I remember. Even like the accident I had when I was a child when I was attacked by a dog. It was just another day in a lot of ways even though it was a huge ordeal.


“When I was four, I was attacked by a German Shepherd. I was with my sisters and brother and we went to the birthday party of a neighbor kid. The dog, he was kind of a guard dog, was chained up in another part of the house. I wandered away from the party, went around the house and saw the dog. We had two dogs in my house, so I put my arms around the dog’s neck to give him a hug like I did with my dogs. Because the German Shepherd didn’t know me and was more aggressive, he went wild and shredded my face. I was hospitalized and it took them ten operations to rebuild my face. But even with all the memories I have of going through all that, the strongest memories in that time are always of my family. How they got me through it. My memories aren’t actually of the attack but of my family. They were my whole life. I depended on them.


“So, I think that leaving my family and going to Drexel University was a defining moment. It was really important that I leave the house and leave my family. That was the first time I seriously got away from their influence. It was a defining moment because growing up in such a socially isolated family you didn’t develop socially. When I got to college I had no social skills at all. It was amazing. I couldn’t hold a conversation. I couldn’t make small talk. Didn’t have a clue how to do it. Didn’t know how to interact with people.


“My first year in college was okay. It was like a review of high school and so I aced the courses. My second year, they totally got into new areas for me. I was in the wrong major. I wasn’t applying myself and I was failing. Everybody had always told me, because I was so smart and so good with math, to be an engineer. I realized that I didn’t wanna be an engineer. I didn’t like the class work. It just wasn’t what I wanted to be. I was struggling to find out what I wanted to do with my life. I was going through really difficult times. So, I was failing out of my classes. Technically I was kicked out of the college of engineering but not out of Drexel. When my parents found out, they called and said, ‘Well, that’s it. We’re cutting you off. No more money. If you’re going to get grades like that , we’re not paying for your college.’ And I was like, ‘You’re cutting me off, then I’m cutting you off.’ I hung up on them.


“This happened, in a lot of ways, for all the wrong reasons, but I’m so glad it happened. This was a big thing for me. We didn’t speak for six weeks. I had never done that before. I called home a lot before that, but I stopped. They’d call and I’d hang up on them. I was a real dickhead.


“But it was kinda nice because for the first time I didn’t have them. That safety net was gone. I thought, ‘I’m responsible for life now.’ That was tough and very, very scary. But I learned a lot.


“I graduated – finally majored in finance – and I got a job in a company. But I was having a lot of trouble with myself because I was uncomfortable with who I was. I’d always thought I was gay but I hadn’t come out. When I was 24, I finally broke down, it was time to deal with it and come out of the closet. I went to a friend who had been my coach at Drexel. I was on the cheerleading team! Swish! Big Girl! I wore one of those skirts and I looked damn good in it! I’ve got the legs for that skirt, I’ll have you know.

Seriously, he was my coach for two years on that team. I kinda kept in touch with him, maybe because I had heard rumors that he was gay. I knew he was very smart and very worldly. He grew up in New York and came out at the age of 15, I think it was. So, he had been through a lot and he understood a lot. He’s gifted with insight. He’s amazingly wise and amazingly young. He’s 32 this year. As it turns out for the next six months he was like a mentor to me. He was very helpful in my coming out, guiding me and all that good stuff. Everyone should have someone like that. I couldn’t imagine coming out now without someone helping me and explaining what’s what, helping to deal with a lot of issues. Lenny was the best; he was someone to talk to but he was more. He’s my biggest role model. I depended on him a lot. There was a lot that he showed me and helped me experience without me having to fumble around in the dark and figure it all out for myself. He taught me a lot about gay relationships.


“But, it’s funny because my relationships are affected by my family, too. In my history I have had a lot of three-ways. Mostly one night stand type threesomes but I was also in a three-way relationship for almost a year. The reason why I’ve done that kind of relationship, I think, is that I’m trying to get back to my early childhood. My family was very tight, very nuclear. I realized that I did all the three-ways because I’m trying to get back to the place where I’m in a secure relationship with two people. They have their own bond and I’m interacting with that somehow like being in a family.


“It’s kind of wild, I can look back at all my relationships, even when I’m with just one other guy, I can see how that family thing affects me. It even affects what I look for in a boyfriend. Because what you want in a boyfriend and what you end up with in a boyfriend are two totally different things. I say I want someone who is a partner for my life but I always end up with someone who is a parent for my life. Like my last boyfriend, Tip, who is very good at cleaning and decorating the house and taking care of me.

You know, helping me choose my clothes. You can see that I’m not Mr. Fashion sense. He did a lot of that for me. I was very comfortable and happy with that relationship. It’s not what I wanted but it’s what I kept going to. I needed that in a boyfriend.


“Our relationship fell apart for a lot of reasons, and I kicked Tip out eventually. He just couldn’t see me for who I am. He had a stereotype of dancers as loose and as being hookers and he applied it to me. He kept saying, ‘I know what goes on at those clubs, I know you’re fooling around on me.’ I didn’t like that. This was a big problem in our relationship. Some people will take you as you are. I’m a stripper, some people can handle it, some people can’t. Tip couldn’t handle it after a while.


“For a while, I couldn’t go without having a relationship. I needed another person in my life. I dated and went from person to person to person, from relationship to relationship. I’m trying to break that because when I’m not in a relationship, it’s really difficult for me. I’m too dependent on that. I’m beginning to be able to be out of one but it’s not easy. I’ve finally come to the realization that it’s pretty immature to be that way, but I’m still always looking for a relationship. If I do get into one again, he’s gotta respect what I do. Like stripping.


“I got into stripping after I lost my job. My company went out of business. I wanted to move to New York but I didn’t have a job. So this friend of a friend, who was a stripper, said that a great way to make money was to strip. He told me he was paying for his Ph.D. by stripping and he said, ‘I’ve seen you dance and you dance really well. You have a nice body. You should try it. Stripping pays really well and it’s odd hours.’ So before I went to New York, I figured I’d go into the 247 here and see how the guys worked the crowd, what they did, y’know. After I was there a while, the manager, Steve, came up to me and asked if I wanted a job. So I was like, ‘Yeah, sure. Why not?’ I figured I’d start stripping there, get some practice before I went to New York. I started stripping at the 247 and I never made it to New York, yet. I’m still in Philadelphia working for Steve’s agency, Hardbodies.


“Steve is incredibly nice and makes it easy. Very, very easy. He takes care of everything and keeps us out of trouble. He won’t let anybody get away with anything. He’s got my best interests at heart. I don’t think I’d work for anyone else but Steve. I know when Steve books me, I don’t have to worry about anything. He always negotiates the money which makes it easy for me. If he sends me to a place where he can’t keep an eye out, it’s like, ‘Just show up. This is what they’re gonna hand you in cash and this is what they want you to do. Then you get out of there.’ When he can, he stays around the place to make sure nothing goes wrong. Like at the 247 he watches real close because they’ve had so many violations. He’s very protective. Whenever it gets out of hand, I’m like ‘Steeeeeve! Get me out of here!’ And that’s it. He comes over and removes the guy.


“When they see things go on in a club, people wonder. They ask me all the time, ‘How can you do this?’ But, I love to get up there and dance. I’d do it for free. I would. I love dancing up there. And I like the attention. This is a great way if you need a little ego boost. You get all this great attention. People give me all this money just to look at me. It doesn’t get much better. Really, it doesn’t get much better than this.


“I’ve gotten one hundred dollar bills! To this day, I’ll never understand why people give me money to see me. I can understand , when they come in and they give me a dollar because that’s expected. But when people give me one hundred dollar bills, I don’t understand that. I do not value looking at me as being worth one hundred dollars. I’ve seen hundred dollar bodies before and I’m not one of them. It just blows my mind when people are very generous. The only thing I’ve got going for me is a personality.

Some guys tell me I have a great smile or nice legs but they all say I have a great personality. In the world of strippers, I’m clearly not the upper tier, y’know? There are a lot of bigger and better bodies. Go to New York. Those guys are steroided out and they’ve got nine inch dicks. I don’t hold a candle to those boys. That’s why they’re in New York and I’m in Philly.


“I really like it when customers tell me I do a good job. That means a lot when somebody comes up to me and tells me, ‘Man you did a great job. We thought you were really hot tonight.’ People who tip me with one hundred dollar bills sometimes don’t tell me they liked what I did. But when somebody says, ‘You were turning me on so much tonight.’ Or, when somebody gets a woody and they point at it and they’re like, ‘Look! This is you!’ It means a lot that I’m appreciated on that level.


“I’m really neurotic about my appearance. It’s like, ‘I’m too fat. I’m not big enough. I’m looking pale tonight.’ I’m very neurotic. Up on stage I’m like, ‘Don’t hit that pose they can see your love handles.’ Or ‘Should have shaved my body.’ Or ‘My hair doesn’t look good tonight.’ I’m very tough on myself when I’m up there working. I’m a basket case.


“I guess what else I’m thinking is, ‘Why are these people paying money to see me? My body’s not great, my dick is not big. Am I insane to think that people are gonna pay to see this?’ All the self doubts come out. I’m not happy with my body. I’d trade a lot of people for their bodies. I don’t think I’m ready for New York. If I had implant surgery, I guess, maybe then.


“Stripping has been good and it’s been bad. For every good thing its done, it’s done a bad thing. It helps your ego, your self-confidence. That’s the upside. I’m more self-confident and I’m more used to my body even if I’m not satisfied. The downside is you see yourself in a much more shallow vein. You’re more concerned about your façade and your image. It places a lot more emphasis on that type stuff. And on the limits you’ll go to in order to improve your appearance like steroids and stuff like that. I’ve done steroids but they haven’t worked really well for me.


“Stripping does shape how I see myself. But I think our whole society as gay men is too image conscious. There is an enormous emphasis on how you look. Enormous. I get caught up in it, too. I have my type and I think everybody knows what my type is. I like big bodybuilders. Beefy. I want muscles! Give me muscles! If you’ve done steroids in the past to get muscles, fine. Whatever it took. Just so you’re great now, that’s good enough.


“I was at Woody’s on Saturday night and I said to myself, ‘Ohmygod, there are so many ugly men.’ Then I felt awful and I thought, ‘Gee, that’s a horrible thing to say. These are probably great people who are wonderful and loving and giving.’ On the other hand they’re screwed because of the looks issue.


“The only real fear I had when I got into stripping was that I would eventually get into prostitution. That I’d get too addicted to the money and that my standards would start slipping and I’d start moving toward prostitution. But it hasn’t happened. I have a firm belief that it’s not the industry that does that to a person. Either a person is predisposed to being a hooker or they’re not. It doesn’t matter whether they’re a stripper or not ‘cause there are a lot of prostitutes that aren’t strippers. I think that being a dancer and being a prostitute, there are a lot of similar characteristics. They’re both a form of entertainment, and you’ve got an exhibitionist nature, and that type of stuff. You’ve just got a different line in the sand.


“Some dancers look down on hooking. I don’t. I know a lot of prostitutes and my attitude is, you know, if that’s the way you want to make your money, knock yourself out. At this point I say to myself, ‘No, I would never do porn, I would never do prostitution.’ But you always have to consider things on a case by case basis. I’ve had guys offer me $60 to give me a blow job. When that happens, you say no and later on you’re thinking, ‘What’s wrong with this picture?’ You know?


“I don’t think I’ll ever change my attitude. I don’t think I’ll ever do prostitution. But, y’know, it’s always there as a back up. If I ever really am desperate for money, I can imagine myself doing it. Because you’d be amazed at what you do if you have to.
“I’m not there yet. Right now, I’m okay. When I had my job, I made a lot of money. I bought a house and put away a lot of money. I was financially set but slowly I’ve been eroding that because I’ve been living outside of my means. It’s been slowly eating up my little nest egg. Now I’m starting to get into a pressure situation and I’m worried and that’s affecting me.


“Things aren’t bad though. I’m proud of who I’ve grown to be. The thing I’m most proud of is that I learn from my mistakes. Part of the problem with being a stripper is that you fall into looking at things on the micro scale instead of on the macro scale. Because you look at people who have a bigger dick, a better body, who are better looking or younger or are more worldly. You know, people who come out at age 21 and who have this great package of their image and of who they are. And you get jealous of all that. It’s tough for me sometimes because I know people here in Philadelphia who have the epitome of the gay image: they’ve got the great body and the fabulous lifestyle and they’ve got boyfriends. Everything I want but don’t have.


“I feel like I really messed things up. I’m too complacent I my life. Stripping made my life too easy and I took too much time away from my career. I’m 27 now, baby, I’m getting old. Financial firms will wonder why I took three years off. They don’t buy the “find yourself” crap anymore. I really cried about this lately because my life is not working out the way I want it to be. I’m not comfortable with myself or about where I’m going with my life. I want to get my life back into my business career and I think I’ve reached a point where I’m ready to do that now.


“What I really want is to be considered a good person. I never want to hurt anyone intentionally. I believe in karma, that what you project comes back to you. It’s a whole cycle. So I definitely want to be a good person in life because that karma will come back to me. I want to be a mature person and do things in an intelligent manner. I look up to people who are very smart, who have their act together, and act in a very responsible manner. That’s what I want to be.


“When people meet me I want them to walk away being envious because that’s the way I am. I walk away from certain people saying, ‘Geeze, they’ve got it all together. They’re great guys, they’ve got a great life, a great body, and they’ve got their act together.’


“The more I mature, the more I’m losing a childishness that I have. But I have to maintain that playful attitude because I just can’t take life that seriously. It’s too short and my life has been too charmed. I go through periods where I’m incredibly happy. I say to myself, ‘I’ve got a house, a roof over my head, I eat decent food, I have good friends, and my life is really overall, good.’ I don’t have to worry which cardboard box I’m gonna sleep under tonight or where my food’s gonna come from or if I’m gonna live to see tomorrow. Many people I know have these issues. Their lives are so much more immediate, compared to my life. My concerns are insignificant compared to theirs. So I like to keep that in perspective.”


The longing in Jeff’s eyes is almost painful when you notice it and realize what it is. It lies well hidden beneath the real joy he feels in his life as a stripper. Casually glancing at this man of average height and above average looks and musculature, no one ever guesses at the depth of the discontent layered beneath the veneer of cheerfulness and sexual frivolity. In truth, he isn’t pretending when he seems cheerful because he is a complex mix of sadness and joy, of deep discontent and ecstatic happiness. But this dejection is a new feeling, a new experience to which he is awakening. His contentment and self-satisfaction has been nudged by a sense of time lost and years wasted. In truth the sense of disappointment had been germinating long before he began to strip. With time it has grown to fill him with inner conflict.


Perhaps part of his distress lies in the fact that he knows he will eventually have to grow away from the life of a dancer which he so enjoys. Possibly the longing he feels is not just for what he does not have materially but also for the freedom and sense of abandon he will no longer have once he returns to the reality of the work world. For now he continues to dance and to strip.

I will be spotlighting either an interview or a profile of one of the more than one hundred-sixty male strippers interviewed for this book. This is the first of the Stripper Profiles that you will find on this website.